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S&S Plumbing and Maintenance

Voted EN Magazine favourite local tradesman of the year 2015 2016 2017 2018 S&S Plumbing And Heating are an Enfield based plumbing and heating company that operate throughout Hertfordshire, Essex and North London. We are Gas Safe registered and fully insured with over a decade's experience within the plumbing, heating and home maintenance industry. Our Customer promise: • We will turn up on time for all appointments. • We will treat your home with respect whilst working. • We will always talk through all options with you before commencing work. • We will leave your home clean and tidy
 Services: • Boiler repairs • Boiler services • Boiler installs • Vented and unvented cylinder installation • General plumbing • Power flushing • Gas safety certificates • Landlord certificates

Reviews

5Star review from 82 reviews

Fixed leaking toilet 5Star review Stephen fixed my elderly Mum's leaking toilet at short notice. We'd never used him before, but it was urgent and I picked his name from the LYDs directory. It was a good choice as he's reliable, respectful, prompt and charged a fair price. We will definitely use him again. Thanks!

Comment graphicGinny Hyde  9 Jul 2021

New boiler 5Star review Excellent service. Very happy. Thank you

Comment graphicGrace Kline  6 Jan 2020

Heating repair 5Star review We called S&S late on Friday night as our boiler had stopped working. Steve came over within the hour and had us up and running in no time. Great guy. fantastic service.

Comment graphicMark Slinter  15 Dec 2019

Bathroom and Boiler 5Star review We have had our bathroom and boiler replaced by S&S. great service. clean and tidy

Comment graphicArron  9 Sep 2019

Fitting of new Comfort height toilet and quote for two refurbishments 5Star review Great job, quickly and tidy, all waste removed from site.service with a smile, very refreshing to match what said in other comments

Comment graphicDavid Hurst  19 Jul 2019

New boiler 5Star review S&S can to our rescue this weekend when out boiler died with a 3 week old in the house. Good price and amazing service

Comment graphicHelen F  8 Jul 2019

New bathroom. 5Star review We've just had a new bathroom installed by Stephen and are extremely happy with it. Stephen went to great lengths to ensure that the finish of the bathroom was of a very high standard. Right from our initial meeting to the final completion, Stephen maintained excellent communication to ensure we were fully satisfied with the work being done. The team were punctual, polite and ensured all works were carried out with minimum disruption. They cleaned and tidied up at the end of every day and left the house as they found it. We would highly recommend Stephen and his team to anyone.

Comment graphicKaren and Paul Hills.  1 Jul 2019

Boiler breakdown 5Star review Stephen came to us this afternoon as our boiler wasn’t working. Found the issue in no time and had the boiler back on for when the kids came in from school. Fair price and great job.

Comment graphicDavid Watts  20 May 2019

New bathroom 5Star review We needed a new bathroom and after meeting Steve knew that he was the right person for the job. He was enthusiastic about the project and encouraged us to go for the design we really wanted. We knew that it was not going to be straightforward as we have had many problems with the house previously, however, Steve handled every issue and problem that came about professionally and had a solution for us every time. We absolutely love our finished bathroom (it's now our favourite room in the house!) and would definitely recommend Steve! We can't wait to get him back to do our kitchen!

Comment graphicPhoebe Winter  10 May 2019

Another fantastic job done 5Star review Another good job done, new shower pump fitted, arrived on time, no mess, good price, fantastic service, a local treasure!

Comment graphicMaria Chetcuti  13 Apr 2019

Boiler service 5Star review Our annual boiler service, called Steve and he did a fantastic job as always! Very honest, and tidy! Would recommend him to anyone! 5 stars!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Comment graphicRebecca Clark  13 Mar 2019

Needed toilet just before Christmas! 5Star review Stephen and his colleague came round at short notice to mend our broken loo - a lifesaver the weekend before Christmas and saved my Parents having to negotiate an extra flight of stairs when they visit over Christmas. Friendly, quick, clean and tidy, exactly what you want when you have work done. Thanks Stephen!

Comment graphicClare  21 Dec 2018

Boiler 5Star review Steve has just finished installing our new Intergas boiler. Happy with the work and a great person to deal with

Comment graphicDavid Lee  15 Oct 2018

5Star review Very pleased with quick service replacing high pressure ball valve in our water tank. Will definitely use S&S again!

Comment graphicDavid Scarff  27 Jul 2018

New bathroom 5Star review We have had a fantastic bathroom installed by S&S. thank you so much.

Comment graphicSasha  23 Jun 2018

Taps fitted 5Star review Called Steve to get some taps fitted and a rotten washer replaced. He called around the next morning - sorted. Quick, efficient and tidy. Will be discussing a bathroom revamp shortly.

Comment graphicDebbie  23 Jun 2018

He transformed our plumbing 5Star review S and S Plumbing cleaned out our forty year old central system, replaced its pump and installed a new time switch all in a day's work at an affordable and fair price. It is now as good as new.Fast, friendly and efficient service that I would recommend to everyone: a fair price and great attention to client service and detail. Also, he is honest as the day is long which is a big deal in London.

Comment graphicMichael Brett  20 May 2018

Smart thermostat 5Star review Steve fitted a new smart thermostat for us today. Great service. Many thanks

Comment graphicFern  20 May 2018

Leaking pipe 5Star review Steve to the rescue again! Always reliable and gets the job done. A fantastic plumber and great guy!

Comment graphicSharon Rubin  23 Mar 2018

Boilers 5Star review Wonderful service from Steve when we really needed it. He came out a 930pm to get our boiler working as we have 2 small boys

Comment graphicN Cliffordson  18 Mar 2018

Hot water restored 5Star review A very grateful thank you to Stephen who came out this evening, at short notice, to restore my hot water and central heating. Polite, efficient and at a reasonable price. Highly recommended.

Comment graphicRuth Gosling  18 Mar 2018

Boiler 5Star review Awesome thanks for helping us out with a dead boiler in the snow.Thank you

Comment graphicJanney  9 Mar 2018

New Tap 5Star review Steve fitted a new filter tap for us today. tidy and polite

Comment graphicHannah  2 Feb 2018

Kitchen Tap conundrums 5Star review I phoned Steve in a moment of desperation when I tried to fit a new kitchen tap and got slightly out of my depth! Steve was brilliant and talked me through it over the phone. With his help I finished installing the tap myself! He was really helpful and friendly. I wouldn’t hesitate to call him again for future plumbing needs!

Comment graphicSarah Spreadbury  2 Feb 2018

New boiler 5Star review Steve installed a brand new boiler for us and smart thermostat. Great job and nice guys.

Comment graphicKelly bright  24 Jan 2018

Great company 5Star review After our boiler went wrong we were told that we needed a new one. Steve came over to price for the replacement and had a quick look at our whilst here. After about 2 minutes the boiler was working with a temporary fix until he could get the part the next day. Fantastic guy, saved us thousands of pounds.Thank you again

Comment graphicDavid jones  24 Jan 2018

New boiler 5Star review Had a new boiler installed. Great guys.

Comment graphicGraham carnook  24 Jan 2018

New kitchen 5Star review Could not be happier with my new kitchen, Thank you so much.

Comment graphicEmma Taylor  6 Jan 2018

Boiler 5Star review Boiler and power flush, great job. Thank you

Comment graphicMaggie  6 Jan 2018

Kitchen tap 5Star review Great service from the start. Steve explained every step of the job and quoted a very good price

Comment graphicWes  22 Dec 2017

Radiators 5Star review Very efficient and clean work replacing 4 really old radiators, house is nice and warm now

Comment graphicDJ  14 Nov 2017

Shower 5Star review Thanks to Steve for an excellent service for almost at no cost ! Very speedy and professional..I highly recommend this company.

Comment graphicStran  12 Oct 2017

Hot water issues 5Star review Super service. After a early morning call my hot water was back in a matter of hours.

Comment graphicClive glover  4 Oct 2017

Gas leak 5Star review Thanks to Steve for fixing a leaking gas pipe. Quick and fair priced.

Comment graphicChris  27 Sep 2017

leaky pipe 5Star review Thank you to Steve who came to repair my leaking washing machine. Quick and reliable. No nonsense and open about costing- reasonable price too. Very amiable and chatty - service with a smile.

Comment graphicclaire Carter  24 Sep 2017

Boiler repair 5Star review I would definitely recommend Steve for his exceptional service. Our boiler suddenly gave up and he responded quickly and efficiently. Heating and hot water were restored with minimum intrusion. Thank you.I will definitely be asking Steve to sort out my other heating and plumbing problems.

Comment graphicCJ  24 Sep 2017

Kitchen tap 5Star review We faced the prospect of no kitchen sink for two weeks when our new kitchen worktop and sink were being installed at the start of our builder's fortnight holiday. As we didn't know exactly which day we would need the sink to be connected up, we had to have someone who could do the job for very quickly. We checked out the reviews for Steve online and everyone said how good he was and reasonable too, so I contacted Steve on the Wednesday, he popped round in the evening to price up the job. He sent us the guaranteed quote by email, which I received on the Thursday morning. We agreed the price and he very kindly fit us in on the Friday evening. He didn't rush, took his time to do a very neat job, connected the sink, taps and dishwasher up making sure everything was working as it should. Fantastic job, excellent service, brilliant price a lovely man. If we need any plumbing done in the future, we will definitely be calling on Steve and would not hesitate to recommend him to anyone else.

Comment graphicSue Vickers  14 Sep 2017

New bathroom 5Star review S&S have just finished our bathroom and we are so happy. Fantastic team of guys.

Comment graphicTom howe  14 Sep 2017

Connecting radiator and plumbing 5Star review Stephen came after contacting him yesterday he is absolutely a perfectionist, the work he done was so neat, we contacted him through this site and was very llucky to find him we will be using him again. He was reliable trustworthy and very friendly

Comment graphicLorraine Bray  8 Sep 2017

Shower room 5Star review Just wanted to say many thanks to Stephen and his team for the fantastic work they did on our shower room!! Stephen is a true professional, and his work is excellent. Nothing was too much trouble, and from the beginning, he reassured me that he would be able to fix any problems that we had, which he did! ( he even took the time to help my elderly neighbour, when her plumber had let her down!)I now have a fully working, leak free shower, which has been fitted to a exceptionally high standard. The team were professional, courteous, and always cleaning! The Henry Hoover and dust sheets always came out first!! I now know if I need any other plumbing jobs done in the future, Stephen and his team will be there to help and will be recommending him to family and friends, Many thanks!!!!S&S Plumbing & Maintenance

Comment graphicR Clarke  8 Sep 2017

Boiler repair 5Star review Good service, Thanks

Comment graphicDavid jones  1 Sep 2017

Emergency call out 5Star review I called Stephen after seeing the reviews on LYDS and have not been disappointed. Would highly recommend this company for all plumbing and heating jobs

Comment graphicTracy Buckner  29 Aug 2017

Leak 5Star review I contacted Stephen late last night as I had water coming through my ceiling from plumbing work carried out by another plumber. Within the hour he had the issue under control and this morning came back to fix the problem properly.Great service and would highly recommend

Comment graphicTom sanders  29 Aug 2017

Plumbing 5Star review Ben from S&S came to us this morning and fixed a dripping pipe. Was finished in no time.Great value and service

Comment graphicRosa Cacioppo  29 Aug 2017

Stuck pop up sink plug 5Star review Prompt and competent service from Steve again. Very happy to recommend him for any plumbing problems.

Comment graphicRuth  29 Aug 2017

New boiler 5Star review Perfect service from Steve and the team. Love my new intergas boiler.Many thanks

Comment graphicDebbie c  22 Aug 2017

Dishwasher installation 5Star review We had a problem with the installation of a new dishwasher and Steve turned up the same dayand solved the problem. We cannot recommend this company enough and will not hesitate to use them again.

Comment graphicAlan Robb  22 Aug 2017

Boiler service 5Star review S&S recently serviced my boiler and did a few other small jobs and I am so pleased I called them. Clean friendly and very professional

Comment graphicAnnie parago  22 Aug 2017

S&S Plumbing 5Star review Extremely pleased that I contacted Steve Shalloe in connection with a problem I had with my Triton Power Shower which started dripping water when switched off. Although I have a service visit booked with Triton, Steve came to my house and expertly fitted a new handle type valve to the hot feed as the existing gate valve would not operate properly. This means I can now stop the supply of water to the shower when not in use until Triton come. Steve is a very competent, knowledgeable and friendly person and I have no hesitation in recommending him for any plumbing and heating problems you have. What a pleasure to find someone so genuine! I shall definitely be keeping Steve's contact details for future use. Thank You Steve!

Comment graphicRobert Hughes  6 Jul 2017

5Star review Once again, Steve from S&S Plumbing has come through. Our very old boiler finally gave up. Not only did Steve get to us the same day but within 3 days we had a new boiler fully fitted and working at a very competitive price. With 2 small children (one of whom is very fond of mud!) the boiler is vital and the level of service you get from S&S is everything you would want it to be. I would highly recommend them.

Comment graphicSarah Talbot  2 Jun 2017

Glowing Thumbs Up for Stephen 5Star review Dear LYDS, Please could you post :)Glowing Thumbs Up Review for Stephen Shalloe Plumbing:Our boiler spectacularly blew up a few weeks ago on a much colder Friday night, we called Stephen as we've worked with him before having found him via LYDS the first time.He promptly responded, undertook a site visit on the Saturday and a few moments later had provided us with a diagnosis and outlined some possible solutions. He then worked with us to suit our budget and requirements.By mid Monday the next week he had rectified all the issues, supplied and fitted the necessary parts and we had hot water and heating again.Given that this happened later on a weekend evening, we were extremely impressed with the speed Stephen turned everything around and the consideration, dedication and professionalism he showed throughout.I would not hesitate to recommend him for any further work. He goes above and beyond and he's a thoroughly nice chap and thanks obviously have to go to LYDS for introducing us in the first place!

Comment graphicLou chalke  18 Apr 2017

Great service - lovely chap 5Star review Steve from S&S came round early and at short notice to check a boiler fault for us. He fixed us up quickly and services the boiler also explaining exactly what the issue was. He was polite funny and we will be getting him over for a gas service next month

Comment graphicJimmy  18 Apr 2017

5Star review Amazing service this evening from S and S plumbing. Thanks to Stephen for coming out so late in the evening to make sure my boiler wasn't going to explode. Can sleep tonight now!

Comment graphicKelly Speller  4 Mar 2017

Boiler / water pressure 5Star review Professional, knowledgeable, skilled, helpful and value for money!At a time of great need Steve responded quickly and arranged a swift evening visit and turned up bang on time.He took 1 look at the boiler and knew exactly what was wrong, and he quickly fixed it at a very fair price given short response time and evening call.I would definitely recommend Steve.

Comment graphicDamien G  4 Mar 2017

Shower issue 5Star review Called Steve after reading reviews on LYDS. Shower was playing up and not getting hot. Steve quickly identified the issue and explained how it all worked in layman terms. He then sourced the part, and came to fit it and restore order within my household. All very efficient, clean and friendly. Also passed on cost savings received from supplier. Very good job and will be using and referring "S&S plumbing" in future.

Comment graphicSteven C  1 Feb 2017

Very helpful in an emergency 5Star review I called Stephen one Friday afternoon as we had a broken tap that wouldn't turn off. He was in the middle of a job in Hertfordshire but still took the time to talk me through how I could turn off the water supply to that specific tap. He then came out at 8am on Saturday to fix the tap and showed my husband how we could fix it for ourselves in the future. Super friendly and helpful guy!

Comment graphicSian  5 Oct 2016

New boiler 5Star review Thanks Steve for a wonderful job. Reliable, efficient and clean as always. You're one in a million. So helpful and caring

Comment graphicSharon Rubin  8 Sep 2016

Leaking tap 5Star review Thank you for a fast and efficient job at a very reasonable price. I will definitely be using your company for future plumbing jobs.

Comment graphicRuth  20 Jul 2016

Great plumber 5Star review Just had Steve Shalloe the plumber to replace my boiler. He was recommended by love your doorstep, I was very pleased with his professionalism, Reasonable price and he was a charming young man.

Comment graphicChris Fletcher  8 Jul 2016

Excellent service. Highly recommend them. 5Star review Amazing quick, no-nonsense service. Stephen came out the same day to look at my boiler and was super helpful. There was no call out and rather than guessing like previous engineers have done he refused to start replacing parts until he had found out exactly what the problem was. I would highly, highly recommend him for his excellent service and his ability to explain things clearly.

Comment graphicSarah Talbot  6 Jul 2016

Hot water 5Star review I’ve had problems with my hot water for years. It keeps stopping working. I do have emergency home cover insurance but the company is a nightmare to deal with and they never get to the root of the problem. They just put a plaster over it. And none of the engineers they’ve ever sent out has ever understood my storage heater system which is a nightmare system but I’m stuck with it. They’ve actually expected me to understand it and explain it to them. I’m not a plumber or electrician!! Well, my hot water stopped working a month ago only 2 weeks after it had supposedly been “fixed”. My insurance company weren’t playing ball. They sent out an engineer who said my storage heater was too small for my flat so they said they wouldn’t fix it, I have anxiety and find dealing with my hot water problems and the insurance company so stressful. But they said that I could get a second opinion so I found Stephen via LYDS. He came over and identified that my storage heater was big enough for a family of 3 (I live alone!), and he identified what he thought the long-term problem was. He’s the only engineer I’ve had round in 8 years who actually understands and is familiar with my storage heating system. I sent his report to my insurance company, and they agreed that Stephen could fix it and they’d pay. Yesterday, Stephen came round and fixed my hot water. And, hopefully, it’s a long-term fix. He identified limescale which he removed and also that the wrong-sized heating element had been previously fitted. I now have hot water for the first time in a month! And, Stephen was an absolute pleasure to have around – chirpy (the engineers my insurance company have sent around have always been rude and stroppy) and patient with my stress levels! I have absolutely no hesitation in recommending him.

Comment graphicDeborah Sharpstone  6 Jul 2016

Leaking sink 5Star review Thank you to Stephen Shalloe of S&S Plumbing & Maintenance.He responded straight away to my appeal on LYDS and came round within a couple of hours. He fixed my pipe leak quickly and efficiently and was very reasonably priced. Also very friendly nice guy. I would definitely recommend him to anyone.

Comment graphicApril Risley  21 Mar 2016

Radiator in bedroom 5Star review I called Steve in a panic just before Christmas for a radiator that had fallen off the wall in my young son's room. He turned up promptly and came with an immediate solution, clear explanation and good advice of what we needed to do. As it was my son's room, Steve realised how desperate we were to get it sorted and came on a Sunday to complete the job. A very dedicated, reliable, pleasant man to deal with, would highly recommend!

Comment graphicMichelle D  1 Mar 2016

plumbing toilet 5Star review Stephen came and fixed my toilet the very next day even though he was very busy. Personable reliable and friendly and charged a very reasonable rate . thank you Stephen will be using you again

Comment graphicclaudia chapman  17 Feb 2016

Excellent, and friendly service 5Star review I found Steve on the LYDS Facebook group, having enquired about a trustworthy plumber for a minor job. Not only did Steve call me back the same evening, but he actually came straight round within the hour and completed the work quickly and at a very competitive cost. He is an excellent plumber and very friendly bloke, so I would have no hesitation in recommending him to anyone. In fact we will be asking him to come back to quote for a new bathroom later this year, as we were so impressed.

Comment graphicSteve  5 Feb 2016

Boiler replacement 5Star review Stephen installed a new boiler for us in Dec 2015. His quote was competitive, he (and his apprentice) was professional, clean, tidy and listened to my requirements. Would recommend.

Comment graphicHelen  2 Feb 2016

Replacement taps and faulty boiler 5Star review We have used Steve on a couple of occasions now, and would happily use him again. Once to fix our taps, which he did without damaging the tiles and saved us a lot of money in the process as another plumber said it would cost a lot more and we would need to replace the pedestal unit.The second time he came out to repair our boiler that decided to go on the blink. He spent a lot of time locating the part needed (boiler no longer sold in the UK) and then fitted it in the evening to ensure we had heating and hot water again for our little girl.

Comment graphicLisa Cooke  12 Jan 2016

Boiler advice 5Star review I would just like to thank Stephen for popping in at short notice the othe week to check out my old boiler & give me some advice & peace of mind. He was professional & polite and i'd certainly recommend him for any heating related problems and installations. Many thanks. Paul :)

Comment graphicPaul taylor  4 Dec 2015

Immensely helpful fixing a leaky toilet 5Star review Stephen is fantastic. He is extremely reliable and trustworthy, goes above and beyond, works quietly (particularly important when fixing a leaky toilet at baby's bedtime), and leaves the place clean and tidy. We're really grateful for everything you did this evening Stephen and will not hesitate to call you next time we have a problem. Thanks so much.

Comment graphicTalya  27 Nov 2015

Highly Recommend! 5Star review What an extremely prompt and professional service. Steve was not going to be beaten by what looked at first as a quick and easy job! He was professional to the end and solved our toilet problem. A lovely guy with it who offered a really good,reasonable service. Thank you.Issue a constantly filling cistern.

Comment graphicHelen Tottle  19 Oct 2015

Water 'hammer' in toilet 5Star review Excellent service - a small job but very prompt, very pleasant to deal with, diagnosed and fixed the problem very quickly. Would highly recommend.

Comment graphicS Metcalfe  12 Jun 2015

Leaking radiator 5Star review An excellent and a prompt service from Stephen. It was Sunday and my house was getting flooded. Stephen came immediately and saved us a headache. Highly recommended. Thank you, Stephen.

Comment graphicZuzana Tilson  26 May 2015

New boiler and cylinder 5Star review S&S Plumbing have just finished swapping my old boiler and cylinder and I must say what a pleasure it was. Very tidy and courteous. I will recommend Steve to all of my friends and family in the future.

Comment graphicJacky Wilson  9 Mar 2015

Radiator install 5Star review Had Stephen round to fit a new radiator in my bedroom, Left him with the house keys. As I don't work too far from home he came and dropped the keys with me once he had finished. I got home and had to check to see there was a radiator installed as there was none of the mess normally associated with tradesman. He had done a lovely job and cleared up beautifully. My house is warm once more and the whole heating system is as quiet as a mouse now, he also replaced some lagging on the pipes under the floor that was missing while he was there. Very trustworthy and very reasonably priced. Would recommend him to anyone.

Comment graphicSimon Shaffron  3 Mar 2015

New shower door 5Star review Fitted a new shower door in the drivers rest room at work. Steve did an excellent job and his workmanship was perfect. Turned up on time and completed the job in the time frame quoted. Would recommend to anyone.

Comment graphicGeoff Pearse  3 Mar 2015

central heating and boiler install 5Star review Fantastic plumber, great to have on site, quick and efficient central heating and boiler installation. Reliable, honest and very very tidy. Look forward to working with him again.

Comment graphicjed harris  19 Feb 2015

Honest good service 5Star review My sister contacted me in a panic when her boiler had stopped working and had no hot water. She lives on her own and was worried about getting someone she could rely on and afford.I immediately gave her Stephens number and he popped round after finishing his days work. He managed to get her old boiler working whilst he sourced a new one and also checked her radiators to make sure they were efficient for her. She felt completely at ease with Stephen and left him keys to carry out the work whilst she was working. Within in a week she had a new more efficient boiler, her rads all working and a few smaller jobs done, all without hitting her pocket. We both have no hesitation in referring Stephen to our friends and family. A truly trustworthy and brilliant plumber who won't let his clients down.

Comment graphicJames Whitaker  18 Feb 2015

Dead gas combi boiler. 5Star review Excellent service all round.Coming home from work I found my boiler was no longer working. Upon contacting S&S Plumbing, he talked me through a few possible quick fixes first. But the issue was more serious, to which he came round in under 30mins.I was given options on the repair that was needed, based on cost and time it would take to get parts.To which he returned the next morning and fixed my boiler without any hassles, all reasonably priced.I could not recommend S&S Plumbing more.

Comment graphicQuang Nguyen  18 Feb 2015

fantastic service 5Star review Absolutely fantastic service, arrived within 30 mins, honest and friendly, would highly recommend to all

Comment graphicMaria Chetcuti  5 Feb 2015

Faulty thermostat on radiator 5Star review Lovely man - super efficient and much cheaper than the other quotes I had :) here within 30 minutes of my call and all fixed within the hour :) couldn't recommend highly enough :) Thankyou Steve, super job!

Comment graphicDanielle Chetcuti  5 Feb 2015

Blocked waste pipe on washing machine 5Star review Despite it being sat afternoon, Steve arrived within half an hour of my call, and was such a lovely man, my clogged up washing machine pipe was cleaned and back working within an hour.How nice it is to find a genuine honest hard worker these days. We will definitely be using you again.

Comment graphicSara Paris  12 Jan 2015

Faulty Bath Tap 5Star review Stephan replied to my fb message and said he could come on a SUNDAY! Turned up when he said, fixed the problem fast like, reasonable charge and will use him again if needed.

Comment graphicMark Fisher  14 Jul 2014